laurashapiro: a woman sits at a kitchen table reading a book, cup of tea in hand. Table has a sliced apple and teapot. A cat looks on. (Default)
[personal profile] laurashapiro
I received this in my inbox today:
Over the past year, Blip has been conducting an ongoing review of our content library, removing accounts that don’t meet our Terms of Service. As part of this effort, your account has been flagged for removal on November 7, 2013, and new uploads have been disabled as of today.

Well, that's just ducky. First they put ads on everything, and now this. After more than five years of comfortable hosting of ALL my vids in streaming format -- the only place I've ever had my entire catalog.

And we all know what will happen if I put them on YouTube. :/

So what do you guys think? Vimeo or self-hosted?

on 2013-10-08 04:28 pm (UTC)
starlady: Raven on a MacBook (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] starlady
I've never heard of anyone having a problem with password-locked vids on Vimeo, but who knows whether that will continue to be the case.

on 2013-10-08 04:49 pm (UTC)
morgandawn: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] morgandawn
mranderson ran into problems with his vimeo password protected vids early on, but many vidders have been using it for a while.

on 2013-10-08 05:39 pm (UTC)
giandujakiss: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] giandujakiss
Yeah, Kiki Miserychic did as well - I think someone reported her. Vimeo is a risk but lately seems to be a relatively low one.

YouTube might be an option, though. Ads, certainly, but they have so many deals with music people now that most - though not all - uploads will get through. I have a YouTube account now and what's interesting is that one vid was blocked entirely, and a couple were blocked in specific countries - only the block was eventually removed, as though YT made more deals.

on 2013-10-08 06:30 pm (UTC)
starlady: Raven on a MacBook (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] starlady
My impression is that all vids on YT are blocked in Germany. I have a vid with still images and a live version of a copyrighted song in it up on YT--the song use was flagged on the initial upload, but I ignored all their warnings and they now say my account is in good copyright standing. IDK.

I've also had weird problems with encoding and uploads looking right on YT. Vimeo seems to be more flexible in that respect.

on 2013-10-08 09:55 pm (UTC)
morgandawn: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] morgandawn
I logged in and saw the same canned message. Never received a notice email. Luckily, updating with the ao3 interface will be easy - finding a new host will be harder.

on 2013-10-08 10:13 pm (UTC)
luminosity: (VID-stylistic crap)
Posted by [personal profile] luminosity
So did I. I was TOS'd from Vimeo several years ago.

on 2013-10-09 05:32 am (UTC)
luminosity: (MISC-Aliens)
Posted by [personal profile] luminosity
Well... I have lots of vids up on youtube (bleagh) and have had lots of them disallowed, and even though I have no access to Viddler anymore, a bunch of them are still up there. One of the things I find amusing about Vimeo is that my putting up Scooby Road is what got me TOS'd, and it's up there anyway. Some person I don't even know put it up. (go figure--and that's a perfect illo of how hit-and-miss this entire thing is)

My regular site has been under construction in a new place that is, for all practical purposes, going to be self-hosted (or a reasonable facsimile); however, I have to wait until such time as the generous & talented person gifting the coding has finished constructing it.

on 2013-10-08 04:56 pm (UTC)
bradcpu: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] bradcpu
I've never had any trouble with Vimeo or YouTube.

on 2013-10-08 07:05 pm (UTC)
niqaeli: cat with arizona flag in the background (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] niqaeli
Honestly, if you're not averse to the hassle of setting up the self-hosted business for streaming -- I would say go with self-hosted. It's obviously an investment of time/effort up-front, but having control over the whole shebang means not facing going through this again with yet another hosting service. The only other concern is, I guess, maybe bandwidth? But yeah.

on 2013-10-09 12:02 am (UTC)
absolutedestiny: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] absolutedestiny
You won't need to upgrade flash to self-host.

All you need is to:

1) Encode to mp4 (h264 video, aac audio)
2) Make sure the moov atom is set up for streaming (number of ways depending on how you encode - I recommend ffmpeg/x264)
3) Self-host a web player like jwplayer or use a service like sublimeplayer to play it on your site.

Unfortunately self hosting will not help you embed on ao3.

The way I do it is that my vid files are web-streamable mp4s, even the ones I offer for regular download (it only adds a meg or two to the size) so that I always have a fallback for streaming from my own site and LJ/DW and anything else I just upload to YouTube and hope for the best.

on 2013-10-08 07:11 pm (UTC)
tallihensia: (buffy - f* off)
Posted by [personal profile] tallihensia
Well that's annoying. :( Blip looses big-time for that.

on 2013-10-08 07:59 pm (UTC)
monanotlisa: Steve Rogers jumping down against a bright blue sky with clouds, his shield centering the eye. (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] monanotlisa
I'm biased here, but I'd counsel against using YouTube if you want the German part of fandom -- quite numerous, as you know -- to be able to access your vids. Other countries seem to likewise boast policies getting vids blocked on YT that would probably escape takedown under the US' DMCA.

Vimeo has always worked well for me in the countries I've been, but I'm a mere user and not hoster, so cum grano salis.

on 2013-10-08 07:59 pm (UTC)
monanotlisa: Steve Rogers jumping down against a bright blue sky with clouds, his shield centering the eye. (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] monanotlisa
Oops, sorry, wrong location!

on 2013-10-08 08:26 pm (UTC)
kass: white cat; "kass" (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] kass
Yeah, I'm in the same boat, and I'm pretty exasperated -- especially since the versions of my vids which are streaming on the AO3 (and on dw/lj) are streaming from blip, so when they take down my stuff, it's going to vanish everywhere. Dagnabbit. I don't know what to do.

on 2013-10-08 09:43 pm (UTC)
klia: (big baby)
Posted by [personal profile] klia
This is why we never put any of our vids back up after imeem disappeared. And the one vid K put up on YT got taken down.

And it's why I really, really want AO3 to host vids. I realize they're a space/bandwidth suck, but they're far more vulnerable to takedowns than fic or art are.

on 2013-10-09 12:32 am (UTC)
absolutedestiny: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] absolutedestiny
AO3 limits what you can embed based on the url - it has a whitelist of embed sources. Thing is, with HTML5 video you don't need to do that at all.

It's entirely possible for ao3 to host a web player that we can use while serving the files externally. To embed our own streams we'd have a video html tag with a particular class (for the player to see) and a source tag for the video stream. This is how do their cloud-hosted player (you can see their embed code here

ao3 could, if it wanted, host a player or purchase a sublimevideo license for the domain and then allow people to use it to stream their videos hosted their own website on ao3.

Heck even the player is optional. If they just allowed video and source tags we could rely on browser players in html5-supporting browsers. Most javascript players are there to support flash fallbacks.

We should probably ask them.

on 2013-10-09 01:50 am (UTC)
tishaturk: (OTW)
Posted by [personal profile] tishaturk
I'm the chair of the OTW Video and Multimedia committee, which has been inactive for a while due to circumstances I will not hijack this thread to explain, and I would be more than happy to carry this request up the chain of command. Would you be willing to work with the AO3 coder folks to show them what would need to happen?

on 2013-10-09 02:20 am (UTC)
absolutedestiny: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] absolutedestiny
I am happy to consult on this but as an interim allow me to explain how this could work.

For externally-hosted ao3-embedded videos from arbitrary website you have the following options:

1) Add fields to the Works form for vidders to add links to webstreamable files. These are then used to generate the appropriate streaming video using a player of ao3's choosing. This is the most complete but complex solution (without vid uploading) - ao3 get to control the html so that the site just needs to insert the url(s) as required. Could support subtitles/captions if there was an option to add them. Downside to this is adding to the works form which is already really massive and complicated.

2) Allow use of the 'video' 'source' and 'track' tags in works (see this wikipedia page for a typical example). Unlike the embed and iframe tags, there is no risk to the site or its users to anything in these tags, as far as I know. This method would rely on browser-default players (which are somewhat bare bones). Allowing the 'audio' tag would also allow for podfic. The downside to this method is there is no standard way in HTML5 to include subtitles yet, from what I recollect.

3) Use a cloud-hosted video player like Sublime Video and allow video tags that took this form: This is like option 2 but a little better. ao3 would need to include a javascript link in the header on pages for works that had video tags (this loads the player) and the work would be able to define video stream(s), subtitles, cover picture and size of the video frame - the instructions for doing this would be really easy to write and anyone with any html familiarity could read the code I put in pastebin and change the bits to match their files. ao3 could even do this with a free license but if they wanted they could get a subscription for added features (ao3 branding etc). Note that this would also require the work in option 2 to be done for allowing certain tags in works.

There would also need to be a guide for making web-streamable mpeg4 but that's not too hard, I could do that or we could just refer people to this one:

on 2013-10-09 04:51 am (UTC)
morgandawn: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] morgandawn
count me in if you need someone to bang a drum or two in support

on 2013-10-09 01:53 am (UTC)
klia: (cassidy)
Posted by [personal profile] klia
This is great info, and so is your reply to Laura about MP4 files. Thanks!

FWIW, AO3 was asked earlier this year, when the board decided to open the archive to meta, and they didn't seem particularly interested in taking any steps toward hosting vids, probably because it'll be a lot of work, and they have other priorities.

on 2013-10-08 10:12 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] shati
For what it's worth, I haven't had any trouble with the vids I've posted to Vimeo and, uh, forgotten to password protect. I'm not really sure what sources/music would be most likely to get taken down, though.

on 2013-10-09 12:10 am (UTC)
killabeez: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] killabeez
I have used Vimeo the last few years for embeds, with passwords. Haven't had trouble yet, but of course, I am not very prolific these days, and my fandoms are pretty much all tiny. I do like Vimeo in general, though.

on 2013-10-09 01:06 am (UTC)
grammarwoman: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] grammarwoman
I prefer Vimeo to YouTube for selfish reasons: YouTube is blocked at my workplace but Vimeo isn't, so when I need a vid break, I can play most any Vimeo links.

on 2013-10-09 01:53 am (UTC)
heresluck: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] heresluck
I just got the same thing. Sooo frustrating. Fair, given that they're all about "webisodes," but still frustrating.

Ah well. I was thinking of moving to Vimeo anyway. And at least they gave us a heads-up.

Hmm. Maybe I will run a few things up the YT flagpole, see what gets shot down.

on 2013-10-10 03:21 am (UTC)
heresluck: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] heresluck
Yeah, that's part of what I'm interested in; I've used some songs that are decidedly obscure and some that will surely ping their algorithm. I think I'll get everything safely up on Vimeo before I start poking YT with sticks.


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